Is rebirth a myth?

Posted by on Jul 24, 2012 in Buddhism, Uncategorized | 5 Comments
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Brad “Hardcore Zen” Warner wrote a post a little while ago about the ‘myth’ of rebirth. I then saw something in the Guardian (a UK newspaper) about myths, and somewhere else too – I forget where.

I should mention that Brad’s blog is my favourite blog right now.

But this idea that rebirth is a myth – it needs some further thought.

Traditionally, rebirth is not a myth (as in a poetic description designed to point at something of value), it’s true. It’s just how things are. Different Buddhist schools have different ideas about what exactly happens, but they all believe that rebirth is how it is.

Philosophically, the different Buddhist abhidharma frameworks break down the process of death and rebirth extremely precisely. That’s not what myths are like. That’s what theories are like.

Empirically, rebirth can’t be proved or disproved. There is no scientific measuring system that will confirm it (though there has been some western-style research into rebirth stories by Dr Ian Stevenson which is pretty interesting).

Mythically, the rebirth idea can help us to understand things we experience. And I agree with Brad in that this is perhaps where rebirth is of most use to us. For example, we can talk of the ‘death’ of the child and the ‘rebirth’ as an adult. Or the death of one thought, but that thought giving rise to another thought – it’s not the same thought, but the previous thought caused it to arise, in the same way that Buddhists see rebirth happening (there is no permanent ‘soul’ moving from one incarnation to the next – there is a causal process, based on karmic momentum from a previous life that brings a new being into existence).

What’s actually going on? Who knows! My own experience on the point of death was not that consciousness was in danger of extinguishing, though ‘me’ didn’t mean very much. I wouldn’t describe it as ‘my consciousness’.

One final point. Buddhists who don’t believe in rebirth (for example Stephen Batchelor) must also let go of the idea that Buddhist practice leads to enlightenment. You can’t have it both ways. Most Buddhist practitioners don’t become enlightened in their lifetime – so if this is all there is, that’s that.

Enlightenment is not necessarily a bad thing to let go of, and I think Buddhist practice is clearly of benefit without the idea of enlightment as a goal. I’m just saying that, since the vast majority of Buddhist practitioners don’t achieve enlightenment before death, one could argue that focusing on accruing and enjoying wealth and power makes at least as much sense as a life choice as spiritual practice. When you’re dead you’re dead. So party?

What do you think? Is rebirth, or enlightenment, a key part of Buddhism that you can’t leave out just because it doesn’t sit well in a Western Buddhist framework? Or is it a cultural hand-me-down that we can throw out in our development of a Western Buddhist tradition? 

 

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  • http://vermontpassive.com Ted Lemon

    I think that if you let go of rebirth and enlightenment, what you’re left with is basically Stoicism. Which is not a bad thing, of course, but it seems to me to be a different thing.

    It’s pretty natural for someone from a western background who comes to Buddhism to have trouble relating to the idea of rebirth, or to reject it entirely. I remember reading Sogyal Rinpoche’s book years ago and coming away from it thinking that it said that there was no chain of rebirths. In retrospect, I really doubt that’s what it says, although I haven’t gone back and reread it.

    But when we make western thought ascendent in our practice, we are signing off on a lot of mistakes. The western belief that war can be the cause of peace, for example: clearly nonsense, and yet almost universally understood to be true. So if we are going to let go of western baggage, why not just keep an open mind about rebirth and see where it carries us?

  • Padma

    Hey Ted – thanks for your comment.

    “when we make western thought ascendent in our practice, we are signing off on a lot of mistakes. ” – good point!

    Re ‘no chain of rebirths’ – the Buddhist view of rebirth is pretty complicated. I think the point Sogyal was making is that it’s not like reincarnation – their is no ‘thread’ (eternal soul) running through a bunch of ‘beads’ (individual lives) in rebirth theory. It’s more like one life causes another life to happen – but you can’t really say the ‘person’ is either the same or not the same. Kind of like a baby and the old man that baby becomes are different in so many ways – all the cells are different, the abilities and behavioural traits have largely changed, they don’t look the same – and yet one led to the other. If you take that one step further, you have something approaching the Buddhist idea of rebirth – it’s about causality and momentum.

    Great house-build project you’ve got going on over there! I once played a gig at an eco village in Canada and had a look around the build projects there – very cool and necessary stuff.

  • http://theravada.ca Brian Ruhe

    Hi,
    The definition of what it means to be a Buddhist is that you have a conviction in just two things: karma and rebirth. It’s that central to the Theravada Buddhist world view. I have taught this to thousands of people around Vancouver, Canada for 15 years and my teacher is Ajahn Sona at forestsangha.org . I have many You Tube videos on this particular subject. You can go to Brian Ruhe channel, or to this one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC41hpd0_X0

    I believe it literally and the Buddha is on about it again and again. It’s a big part of my latest book:
    My latest book “A SHORT WALK ON AN ANCIENT PATH – A Buddhist Exploration of Meditation, Karma and Rebirth”, is available from Amazon.com at:

    http://www.amazon.com/Short-Walk-Ancient-Path-Exploration/dp/0968395120/ref=s

    Much metta,
    Brian Ruhe

  • Richard

    Enlightenment is characterized by the final three knowledges … That’s where faith becomes necessary in causation… Zen tries to enlighten but gives no benchmarks, thus a meditator can easily go in circles without achieving emancipation.. At worst, the delusion of ego persists and uses the act of meditation as a rationale for fostering a kind of shallow equanimity.. Without the important ethical perspective that the noble eightfold path stipulates is essential .. Meditation is an esoteric practice that takes years to cultivate.. It requires discipline and devotion with a keen intuitive resolve that the appearance is much different and graver than the reality.. I know nibanna is there, read the Majjima nikayas for those who want to know the depth of samsaras reach.. Btw, the final knowledges are 1 recollection of past lives, meaning, not just one two 10 births, but eons worth of time, 2nd, the awareness of the appearance and disappearance of beings.., and the 3rd is the awareness of the destruction of taints in others… According to the Buddha , there is no greater miracle then a well placed Teaching… To those interested in the truth, it is most certainly out there, train hard , and you will see this awesome light within u. …. Also, yoga is essential , not optional.. For me, it’s ashtanga, but to achieve enlightenment the ability to meditate for days is necessary.

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